SPENCER MATTHEWS: OUR FIRST HONEST CONVERSATION ABOUT OUR FRIENDSHIP

Spencer Matthews is a very old friend of mine - we grew up together sharing some embarrassing moments on television, making a name for ourselves as podcasters interviewing (and winding up) some of Hollywood’s finest, in our podcast, ‘6 Degrees’. However, in the last few years, our friendship has begun to wane, and it’s a question I’m asked all the time: ‘Have you and Spencer fallen out?’. To tell the truth, I’ve never really known the answer to this… We’ve hardly seen each other for a number of reasons, and so when he reached out about this recording, I thought it’s time to get to the bottom of this, because friendships are important and worth fighting for. We cover: -Why he wasn’t invited to my London wedding -Where he was during my ultramarathons -Wild stories of our time on Made In Chelsea -Spencer shares the lowest points of his alcoholism -How the grief of losing his brother as a child, has impacted his capacity for emotions This podcast was created for connection in a world of disconnection, and this episode is quite raw for me. Like many men, I’m not always the greatest communicator, and I think Spencer would say the same for himself, so having this opportunity to sit down together, and lay it all out on the table was really special. And I’m also releasing a book, ‘Boys Don’t Cry’ which you can pre-order here: https://boysdontcry.co.uk If you enjoyed the show, you can also follow us: Instagram- www.instagram.com/greatcompanypodcast TikTok - www.tiktok.com/@greatcompanypodcast And if you've got thoughts, questions and comments, you can email us at: greatcompany@jampotproductions.co.uk 00:00 Trailer 02:33 Introducing Spencer Matthews 03:02 Growing up together 03:26 Why did our relationship change 03:54 Spencer wasn’t invited to my London wedding 05:38 The real reason Spencer was not invited to the London wedding 06:20 It began with Spencer not coming to my stag do 08:14 Not communicating and being selfish 09:45 Press painting a narrative on our friendship 11:03 I'm not good friend 11:55 Finding out about the London wedding on the Daily Mail 16:37 Are we jealous of each other? 17:07 Our 6 degrees podcast 20:04 Having a spiritual awakening 20:47 Running the Wadi Rum desert and feeling connected to my brother 22:10 Processing death at a young age 23:23 The death of my brother 24:52 The delayed grief of losing my brother because I was so young 26:34 Not having access to a range of emotions 27:55 Suppressing emotions with alcohol 28:40 The effects of therapy 29:41 Missing my brother 30:23 Pent up emotions 32:27 Making my family proud 34:37 What do you miss about our friendship 36:58 What were our best moments 39:33 Still being known for made in Chelsea 42:31 Not being proud of myself when being on made in Chelsea 44:30 Dealing with shame and rejection and being on made in Chelsea 45:59 Having lack of empathy and sympathy 48:45 The nature of my drinking 50:04 Living in a lie 51:30 felt like a slave now I'm in control 52:16 Little and consistent changes 54:46 Messages from Spencer’s mum 59:40 Final eight questions - THE CREDITS Exec Producer: Jemima Rathbone Producer: Helen Burke Assistant Producer: Rhoda Abrokwa Video: Jake Ji Audio: Rafi Amsili Social Media: Laura Coughlan & Anthony Barter - Great Company is an original podcast from JamPot