Origen on Praying to Saints: FINAL Response to Joe Heschmeyer

In this video I respond to Joe Heschmeyer on whether Origen affirmed praying to the saints. See Jeremy Treat's excellent book on the atonement: https://www.amazon.com/Atonement-Introduction-Studies-Systematic-Theology/dp/1433575698 See My Apologies' comments on the debate: https://youtu.be/vhMzTgkPTyE?si=UwiM4NqS7OxgxvFr My initial video on praying to the saints: https://youtu.be/TQRQ-bbmVvI?si=5zQcC4PxFp0ZU_ks Joe's first rebuttal: https://youtu.be/BA5rOsIhotM?si=H2lStnVDyLOTECL6 Joe's second rebuttal: https://youtu.be/OEreH7eKUqc?si=1H6OWrji54ii3yEG My Response to Joe: https://youtu.be/7TxB6_IPmYE?si=voL2yuns9ltm8rf8 Joe's Rejoinder: https://youtu.be/hyHP4zpAxdU?si=lNRoHx091cYLNjk4 Truth Unites exists to promote gospel assurance through theological depth. Gavin Ortlund (PhD, Fuller Theological Seminary) serves as senior pastor of First Baptist Church of Ojai. SUPPORT: Become a patron: https://www.patreon.com/truthunites One time donation: https://www.paypal.com/paypalme/truthunites FOLLOW: Twitter: https://twitter.com/gavinortlund Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/TruthUnitesPage/ Website: https://gavinortlund.com/ MY ACADEMIC WORK: https://gavinortlund.com/mypublications/ PODCAST: https://anchor.fm/truth-unites DISCORD SERVER ON PROTESTANTISM Striving Side By Side: https://discord.gg/MdTt6d5PVs CHECK OUT SOME BOOKS: https://www.amazon.com/Makes-Sense-World-That-Doesnt/dp/1540964094/truthunites-20 https://www.amazon.com/Theological-Retrieval-Evangelicals-Need-Future/dp/1433565269/truthunites-20 https://www.amazon.com/Finding-Right-Hills-Die-Theological/dp/1433567423/truthunites-20 https://www.amazon.com/Retrieving-Augustines-Doctrine-Creation-Controversy/dp/0830853243/truthunites-20 00:00 Introduction 01:19 Framing the Disagreement 04:52 (1) Prayers FOR US vs Prayers TO THEM 13:09 (2) The Four Kinds of Prayer 31:32 (3) Earthly vs. Heavenly Communication 36:14 Concerns of Misrepresentation