Is Toxic Empathy Poisoning the Left? | Interesting Times with Ross Douthat

Allie Beth Stuckey , conservative Christian podcaster, joins Ross on “Interesting Times” this week to explain why “toxic empathy” has a stranglehold on politics, whether evangelical Christians have a red line President Trump could cross and why her commentary has echoes of Phyllis Schlafly. Read the full transcript here: https://www.nytimes.com/2025/07/17/opinion/interesting-times-allie-beth-stuckey.html This episode of “Interesting Times” was produced by Katherine Sullivan, Elisa Gutierrez, Andrea Betanzos and Sophia Alvarez Boyd. It was edited by Jordana Hochman. Mixing and engineering by Pat McCusker. Cinematography by Marina King and Stephen Smith. Camera Operated by Nathan Davis. Video editing by Arpita Aneja and Jan Kobal. Original music by Isaac Jones, Pat McCusker and Aman Sahota. Fact-checking by Kate Sinclair, Michelle Harris and Mary Marge Locker. Audience strategy by Kristina Samulewski. Video directed by Jonah M. Kessel. The director of Opinion Audio is Annie-Rose Strasser. If you like Interesting Times, subscribe to this channel for episodes and updates.